Monday, May 12, 2008

Does Gurbani Prohibit Eating Meat?

Different people have different views on whether consumption of meat by a Sikh is allowed. Some feel it is prohibited while others feel there is no prohibition. Let us make an effort to understand what Gurbani says. Those who think meat is not to be taken by a Sikh quote the following:

ਜਉ ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਏਕੁ ਖੁਦਾਇ ਕਹਤ ਹਉ ਤਉ ਕਿਉ ਮੁਰਗੀ ਮਾਰੈ ਕ ੧੩੫੦

When the One God resides in all why do you kill the birds (SGGS, p 1350)?

The immediate reaction on reading the hymn will be that Bhagat Kabir Ji is dissuading people from eating meat. Firstly there is only mention of killing and not eating; Secondly he mentions God being present in all including the bird being killed so there must be a context to this Shabad. The context is clear when we read further:

ਪਕਰਿ ਜੀਉ ਆਨਿਆ ਦੇਹ ਬਿਨਾਸੀ ਮਾਟੀ ਕਉ ਬਿਸਮਿਲਿ ਕੀਆ ਜੋਤਿ ਸਰੂਪ ਅਨਾਹਤ ਲਾਗੀ ਕਹੁ ਹਲਾਲੁ ਕਿਆ ਕੀਆ

You catch the living creature and kill the body as sacrifice to God; But God’s light in the creature is indestructible; so what do you sacrifice?

It is therefore clear that the context is sacrifice of creature to propitiate God or any other deity. Hence Kabir Ji is dissuading people from sacrifices. Bhagat Kabir also says in a Slok (Couplet):

ਕਬੀਰ ਭਾਂਗ ਮਾਛੁਲੀ ਸੁਰਾ ਪਾਨਿ ਜੋ ਜੋ ਪ੍ਰਾਨੀ ਖਾਂਹਿ ਤੀਰਥ ਬਰਤ ਨੇਮ ਕੀਏ ਤੇ ਸਭੈ ਰਸਾਤਲਿ ਜਾਂਹਿ ੨੩੩

Whosoever takes Marijuana, fish and alcoholic drinks; all his pilgrimages, fasts and performance of religious practices shall go waste (SGGS, p 1377).

Here Kabir Ji is dissuading people from taking intoxicants and non-vegetarian food.

This is a stand alone Slok and its context needs to be found from what Kabir Ji says elsewhere. He says:

ਸੁਆਦ ਲੁਭਤ ਇੰਦ੍ਰੀ ਰਸ ਪ੍ਰੇਰਿਓ ਮਦ ਰਸ ਲੈਤ ਬਿਕਾਰਿਓ ਰੇ ਕਰਮ ਭਾਗ ਸੰਤਨ ਸੰਗਾਨੇ ਕਾਸਟ ਲੋਹ ਉਧਾਰਿਓ ਰੇ

Under the influence of taste and pleasures of sensory organs, one indulges in intoxicants and tasty food that take one to vices (SGGS, p 335).

It is well known that indulgence in fish etc and intoxicants leads to vices like violence and lust satisfaction outside marriage or even overindulgence with the spouse. If we read this with the above Slok it appears that Kabir ji is asking people to understand that indulgence like this will negate all your religious practices.

Further we find that in the SGGS there are specific instructions to avoid intoxicants. The third Guru says

ਮਾਣਸੁ ਭਰਿਆ ਆਣਿਆ ਮਾਣਸੁ ਭਰਿਆ ਆਇ ਜਿਤੁ ਪੀਤੈ ਮਤਿ ਦੂਰਿ ਹੋਇ ਬਰਲੁ ਪਵੈ ਵਿਚਿ ਆਇ ਆਪਣਾ ਪਰਾਇਆ ਪਛਾਣਈ ਖਸਮਹੁ ਧਕੇ ਖਾਇ ਜਿਤੁ ਪੀਤੈ ਖਸਮੁ ਵਿਸਰੈ ਦਰਗਹ ਮਿਲੈ ਸਜਾਇ ਝੂਠਾ ਮਦੁ ਮੂਲਿ ਪੀਚਈ ਜੇ ਕਾ ਪਾਰਿ ਵਸਾਇ

One person (like the bartender) brings the intoxicant, another takes a cup from it; by drinking it he loses his power to think and acts as if mad; he is unable to distinguish the good from bad and is pushed away from the Master; by drinking it the Master is forgotten and one is punished in His court, Do not take such a drink if it is within your power. (SGGS, p 554).

There is therefore specific injunction against intoxicants, but it is not so for non-vegetarian food. For example Guru Nanak says:

ਅਭਾਖਿਆ ਕਾ ਕੁਠਾ ਬਕਰਾ ਖਾਣਾ ਚਉਕੇ ਉਪਰਿ ਕਿਸੈ ਨ ਜਾਣਾ

You eat the meat of the goat killed the Muslim way but talk of piety (SGGS, p 472).

Guru Sahib is pointing out the hypocrisy of the Hindu. If he wanted to prohibit non-vegetarian food, he could have just said meat or goat and not meat dressed the Muslim way, which is also an edict in the Sikh Reht Maryada. Such meat is taboo for the Sikh.

There is thus no injunction against eating meat but also no advice to eat it. According to Guru Nanak:

ਮਾਸੁ ਮਾਸੁ ਕਰਿ ਮੂਰਖੁ ਝਗੜੇ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਧਿਆਨੁ ਨਹੀ ਜਾਣੈ

The ignorant persons, instead of acquiring knowledge or meditate, fight whether to eat meat or not (SGGS, p 1289).

In other words the Guru asks the Sikhs not to make it an issue. It is to be kept in mind that we are not to take food or drink:

ਜਿਤੁ ਖਾਧੈ ਤਨੁ ਪੀੜੀਐ ਮਨ ਮਹਿ ਚਲਹਿ ਵਿਕਾਰ ਰਹਾਉ

That is harmful for the body and causes vicious thoughts, Pause, (SGGS, p 16).

8 comments:

Anonymous said...

Bhai Rawel Singh Ji,

Great sewa.
I will visit often. Will add your site on my blog.

-pritamKaur

BaBiHa said...

Waheguru ji ka khalsa, waheguru ji ki fateh!

I have something to say about the "Maas Maas kar Moorakh Jhagre". It is not persons as plural, it is a singular tense as the "kh" has an "aunkar", which makes it a singular. This is gurbani grammar, so let us not distort it.

This means, that duffer Brahmin quarrels on seeing Maas, but does not know the meaning that what is Saag and what is Maas...

Bhul chuk di khima..

Jagjinder Singh

Rawel Singh said...

S. Joginder Singh Ji,

Your comment is well taken. Thanks

Guru Rakha

Rawel Singh

Anonymous said...

Bhai Rawel Singh ji

Bani is better understood when it becomes ones way of living and one receives a blessing from our Gurus
ਜਉ ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਏਕੁ ਖੁਦਾਇ ਕਹਤ ਹਉ ਤਉ ਕਿਉ ਮੁਰਗੀ ਮਾਰੈ ॥੧॥ ਕ ੧੩੫੦
When the One God resides in all why do you kill the birds (SGGS, p 1350)?
Can one eat without killing? Can one kill who has Daya in his heart? Is killing of another being not ADHARM. Guru Nanak dev ji said “Dharam di Kirit Karo”. If one does not follow this basic tenant then how does one call himself a Sikh of Guru Nanak?
No the context is already clear. One only needs to go further when one needs to twist Bani in order to serve ones purpose. It is quite clear that if God resides in all then the only thing that is being exercised is that a weak being is being forced upon by a stronger one.
kbIr jorI kIey julmu hY khqw nwau hlwlu ]
kabeer joree kee-ay julam hai kahtaa naa-o halaal.
Kabeer, to use force is tyranny, even if you call it legally justified (Halaal, Rrighteous).

dPqir lyKw mWgIAY qb hoiego kaunu hvwlu ]187]
daftar laykhaa maaNgee-ai tab ho-igo ka-un havaal.
When your account will be called for in the Court of the Lord, what will your condition be then? ||187||

kbIr KUbu Kwnw KIcrI jw mih AMimRqu lonu ]
kabeer khoob khaanaa kheechree jaa meh amrit lon.
Kabeer, the dinner of beans and rice is excellent, that is flavored with purified salt.

hyrw rotI kwrny glw ktwvY kaunu ]188]
hayraa rotee kaarnay galaa kataavai ka-un.
For the sake of having meat with his bread, Who would have his throat cut in return? ||188||

Kabir ji is telling us here that as you sow so shall you reap. Inflicting pain on others comes back as pian to onself. For the sake of the taste of the tongue I will not go and kill an animal in the name of the Lord and then make payments for it afterwards.
ਪਕਰਿ ਜੀਉ ਆਨਿਆ ਦੇਹ ਬਿਨਾਸੀ ਮਾਟੀ ਕਉ ਬਿਸਮਿਲਿ ਕੀਆ ॥ ਜੋਤਿ ਸਰੂਪ ਅਨਾਹਤ ਲਾਗੀ ਕਹੁ ਹਲਾਲੁ ਕਿਆ ਕੀਆ ॥੨॥
You catch the living creature and kill the body as sacrifice to God; But God’s light in the creature is indestructible; so what do you sacrifice?
Bhagat Kabir ji is trying to educate here is that What you have Sacrificed here is what already belongs to the creator. If you want to sacrifice something then sacrifice your Kam, Krodth, Lobh, Mah and Ahankar. This is the sacreifice that will be honoured in the court of the Lord. “Panch Parwaan, Panch Pardhaan, Panche pavey dhargeh Maan”.
ਕਬੀਰ ਭਾਂਗ ਮਾਛੁਲੀ ਸੁਰਾ ਪਾਨਿ ਜੋ ਜੋ ਪ੍ਰਾਨੀ ਖਾਂਹਿ ॥ ਤੀਰਥ ਬਰਤ ਨੇਮ ਕੀਏ ਤੇ ਸਭੈ ਰਸਾਤਲਿ ਜਾਂਹਿ ॥੨੩੩॥
Whosoever takes Marijuana, fish and alcoholic drinks; all his pilgrimages, fasts and performance of religious practices shall go waste (SGGS, p 1377).
This in not a stand alone salok. You have not understood What Kabir ji has said in the above salokas.
kbIr swDU sMgu prwpqI iliKAw hoie illwt ] mukiq pdwrQu pweIAY Twk n AvGt Gwt ]231]
Kabīr sāḏẖū sang parāpaṯī likẖi¬ā ho¬ė lilāt. Mukaṯ paḏārath pā¬ī¬ai ṯẖāk na avgẖat gẖāt. ||231||

Kabeer, the Company of the Sadhu is encountered, if one has such destiny written upon his forehead. He obtains the treasure of liberation, and the difficult path to the Lord is not hindered. ||231||
kbIr eyk GVI AwDI GrI AwDI hUM qy AwD ] Bgqn syqI gosty jo kIny so lwB ]232]
kabeer ayk gharhee aaDhee gharee aaDhee hooN tay aaDh.
bhagtan saytee gostay jo keenay so laabh. 232

Kabeer, whether it is for an hour, half an hour, or half of that, Who ever has a divine discourse with a Saint/Sadhu, shall benefits from it. ||232||

In the above two verses, Kabir ji is emphasizing the value of the meeting with a Saint/Sadhu. He confirms that this union is only possible if it is in your destiny. The Sadhu holds the treasure of liberation. A Sadhu is already on the path and has the know how to overcome the difficulties that one is to come across. It is the experience of the saint that is the valuable asset that the mortal needs to gain. Kabir ji emphasizes here that even a little time spent will give one spiritual benefit. Kabir tells us to keep safe the knowledge gained from this union.

kbIr BWg mwCulI surw pwin jo jo pRwnI KWih ] qIrQ brq nym kIey qy sBY rswqil jWih ]233]
kabeer bhaaNg maachhulee suraa paan jo jo paraanee khaaNhi.
tirath barat naym kee-ay tay sabhai rasaatal jaaNhi. 233

Kabir, those mortals who consume marijuana, fish and wine, no matter what pilgrimages, fasts and rituals they follow, they will all go to hell ( i.e. the effect of Good and Bad deeds cancels out ). 233

Kabir ji is telling us in the above verses that those individuals who consume these forbidden foods as well as perform pilgrimages, fasting and daily rites., the benefits gained as per the above verse 232 “bhagtan saytee gostay jo keenay so laabh.” goes to waste. Kabir ji is telling us that momentary change of thought and actions in the presence of holy and then to resort back to the same old habits is a pointless exercise. You lose what you had earned. It is fruitless exercise. The change should be permanent and progressive to have spiritual gain. Kabir ji has used the word Rasatil – meaning Hell. He has used this very strong word to emphasize his point and should not be regarded as a casual prohibition. One needs to understand the gravity of the words used.
ਸੁਆਦ ਲੁਭਤ ਇੰਦ੍ਰੀ ਰਸ ਪ੍ਰੇਰਿਓ ਮਦ ਰਸ ਲੈਤ ਬਿਕਾਰਿਓ ਰੇ ॥ ਕਰਮ ਭਾਗ ਸੰਤਨ ਸੰਗਾਨੇ ਕਾਸਟ ਲੋਹ ਉਧਾਰਿਓ ਰੇ ॥੩॥
Under the influence of taste and pleasures of sensory organs, one indulges in intoxicants and tasty food that take one to vices(Immoral habit/conduct) . Through destiny and good karma, they join the Society of the Saints and float over the ocean, like iron attached to wood. ||3|| (SGGS, p 335).
It is well known that indulgence in fish etc and intoxicants leads to vices like violence and lust satisfaction outside marriage or even overindulgence with the spouse. If we read this with the above Slok it appears that Kabir ji is asking people to understand that indulgence like this will negate all your religious practices.
So does this justify indulgence in “BWg mwCulI surw pwin” ?
ਮਾਣਸੁ ਭਰਿਆ ਆਣਿਆ ਮਾਣਸੁ ਭਰਿਆ ਆਇ ॥ ਜਿਤੁ ਪੀਤੈ ਮਤਿ ਦੂਰਿ ਹੋਇ ਬਰਲੁ ਪਵੈ ਵਿਚਿ ਆਇ ॥ ਆਪਣਾ ਪਰਾਇਆ ਨ ਪਛਾਣਈ ਖਸਮਹੁ ਧਕੇ ਖਾਇ ॥ ਜਿਤੁ ਪੀਤੈ ਖਸਮੁ ਵਿਸਰੈ ਦਰਗਹ ਮਿਲੈ ਸਜਾਇ ॥ ਝੂਠਾ ਮਦੁ ਮੂਲਿ ਨ ਪੀਚਈ ਜੇ ਕਾ ਪਾਰਿ ਵਸਾਇ ॥
One person (like the bartender) brings the intoxicant, another takes a cup from it; by drinking it he loses his power to think and acts as if mad; he is unable to distinguish the good from bad and is pushed away from the Master; by drinking it the Master is forgotten and one is punished in His court, Do not take such a drink if it is within your power. (SGGS, p 554).
There is therefore specific injunction against intoxicants, but it is not so for non-vegetarian food. For example Guru Nanak says:
Have you forgotten so soon what Kabir ji said in the above salok?
ਅਭਾਖਿਆ ਕਾ ਕੁਠਾ ਬਕਰਾ ਖਾਣਾ ॥ ਚਉਕੇ ਉਪਰਿ ਕਿਸੈ ਨ ਜਾਣਾ ॥
You eat the meat of the goat killed the Muslim way but talk of piety (SGGS, p 472).
Guru Sahib is pointing out the hypocrisy of the Hindu. If he wanted to prohibit non-vegetarian food, he could have just said meat or goat and not meat dressed the Muslim way, which is also an edict in the Sikh Reht Maryada. Such meat is taboo for the Sikh.
The same hypocrisy is present today in Sikhs. Where does Guru ji say that kill and animal and eat. Any indulgence for the taste and pleasures of sensory organs is prohibited. Here I see is a lack of understanding of “Living Death”. This is renunciation of all pleasures of sensory organs. That includes vegetarian food.
There is thus no injunction against eating meat but also no advice to eat it. According to Guru Nanak:
ਮਾਸੁ ਮਾਸੁ ਕਰਿ ਮੂਰਖੁ ਝਗੜੇ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਧਿਆਨੁ ਨਹੀ ਜਾਣੈ ॥
The ignorant persons, instead of acquiring knowledge or meditate, fight whether to eat meat or not (SGGS, p 1289).
In other words the Guru asks the Sikhs not to make it an issue.
No Guru ji is telling us to understand spiritual knowledge and meditation rather than condemning maas in ignorance. Bhagat Dhanna when he acquired spiritual knowledge gave up the family trade of butchery and became a Bhagat. This understanding comes with practice and not with age. What a waste of life!
It is to be kept in mind that we are not to take food or drink:
ਜਿਤੁ ਖਾਧੈ ਤਨੁ ਪੀੜੀਐ ਮਨ ਮਹਿ ਚਲਹਿ ਵਿਕਾਰ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
That is harmful for the body and causes vicious thoughts, Pause, (SGGS, p 16).
It is a well known scientific fact that you are what you eat. Meat take far longer to cook and for the body to digest. A heavy vegetarian food does the same but by comparison meat is the worst. So guru ji say that why eat such a food that is harmful for the body and causes vicious thoughts.

Rawel ji , do not forget that each breath you take and morsel of food you consume is accounted for and payment shall be made against it.

Ekmusafir_ajnabi

Rawel Singh said...

Pritam kaur ji,

It appears you are firmly of the belief that meat eating is prohobited for the Sikhs. You have given certain quotations mostly of Kabin Ji to prove this. However if you read the verses and Sloks of Kabir Ji they are talking of Halal. Halal means righteous and refers to what the Muslims say they do in the name of God. In other words they kill the bird or animal as offering to God. "Sabh meh ek Khdaaey kaht ho" clearly conveys that you kill the bird as balli before God for the benefit of some one, but doesn't God live in the bird?

Dharam di Kirt mentioned by you refers to earning honestly and not eating meat.

As you would notice I have not tried to twist Gurbani to serve any purpose but just presented what Gurbani says.

Guru Nanak Sahib mentioning Abhaakhya ka kutha bakra clearly says that Guru Sahib is pointing out eating of such meat and not meat. The Sikh Reht Maryada prohibits kutha meat. I do not think any one is entitled to repudiate that. Some people like those of the Akhand Keertani Jatha advocate against eating meat. It is Ok because Reht Maryada or Gurbani does not say Sikhs must eat meat. Guru Sahib not make this an issue but pay attention to Gyaan , Dhyaan.

Guru Rakha

Rawel singh

Justice said...

Absolutely amazing post. I have some other great links you maybe interested in on this subject:

==See also ==
*[http://www.sikhs.wellington.net.nz/meat.pdf Professor Gurbax Singh Dhillon - Meat Eating and Rehat Maryada]
*[http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8G8gUr9fIKc Video Showing Jhatka at Hazoor Sahib]
*http://www.sikhs.org/meat_au.htm
*http://www.sikhs.org/meat.htm
*http://www.sikhs.org/meat_gn.htm
*http://www.sikhs.org/meat_gs.htm
*http://www.sikhs.org/meat_q.htm
*http://www.sikhnextdoor.org/teachers/faq.html
*http://www.sikhism.com/rehatmaryada
*http://popularsikh.com/node/65642
*http://www.globalsikhstudies.net/pdf/Prespective_on_Sikh_tradition.pdf
* [http://www.worldsikhnews.com/21%20January%202009/Goat%20Sacrifice%20at%20Hazur%20Sahib%20%20Myth%20&%20Truth.htm The Myth of Goat Sacrifice and Hazur Sahib]

Anonymous said...

Sadh Sangat Ji,
It is really surprising how an issue ,which is crystal clear can cause such confusion.meat cannot be obtained without killing a living being which has a soul in it.Can u kill anything if you have daya in you?If daya is not there,there cannot be Dharam,because daya is dharam ka poot.so it is absolutely clear, that -"jo sabme ek khudai kehat ho, to kyon murgi mare" should not confuse any person, who has even an iota of common sense.

Rawel Singh said...

Anonymous Ji,

The article pointed out thataccording to Gurbani people keep arguing about meat eating and leaves it at that. Gurbani nowhere says that meat is not to be eaten. If it was to be forbidden it would have said so as has been clearly said in respect of things that are considered evil.

Referring to the two Gurbani quotations you have given. Dhaul Dharam daya ka poot in the 16th Pauri of Japji Sahib refers to the Hindu belief that the earth is supported by a bull -Dhaul. The verse refutes that and says that the bull is actually the Earth being held in space according to Dharam (laws) created by the compassion (Daya) of the Creator.

The other verse of Bhagat Kabir ji about "Jab sabh meh ek Khudaa --" is in reference to people offering animals and birds as sacrifice to the deities or Allah for their own good. So Bhagat Ji says the same God is there in the one offering the sacrifice and the bird or animal. So why do you do it?

Gurbani also says "Jeea ka aahaar jea khaana ih karay (Slok M: 2, p 955) i.e. living beings eat living beings, that is their food.
This also has to do something with keeping an ecological balance because otherwise there will be shortage of food.